I am attending Off the Map in Denver today and tomorrow. This so cool because I was invited by Karl Wheeler whom I am currently for remodeling his home. I was invited by his gift to come to this event.
I am hanging out with Jim Henderson, Todd Hunter, David Kinnaman, Matt Casper, Sally Morgenthaler, Kathy Escobar and others at this two day event.
Todd and Kathy
The church is a secular reality. Billiy Grahm eg.
1940′s liberals and fundamentalists
Charles Fuller
Carl Henry
1947 how can they be the church?
Anchored to the Rock…geared to the times.
Missional Challenge-how to be relevant and the church
Roaring twenties-argyle socks and hand painted tie!
Same as tattoos and peircings today!
ALMOST GOT FIRED…Cliff Barrows showed up to lead worship with a trombone, considered a secular instrument at that time.
Drums in church…jungle rhythms, white people don’t clap on 2nd beat and 4th beat.
Church has to re-invent itself in today’s culture.
The New Atheism
What is “new” about something so ancient?
-they condemn not just belief in God, but respect for belief in God.
-religion itself is destroying humanity.
Davin Kinnaman, according to.
16 to 29 yr olds-unchristian lives of Christians/ biggest impediment!
We cant get away with that anymore-rank Christianity
The Unchristian- buy it
Focus in your own dam famility-bumper sticker in Co Springs-let your lives show it.
We don’t get it anymore, can you just shut up!
The goal of Christianity is not heaven but a transformed life; heaven is the destination.
Things Have Changed! Honduras bridge to no where pic. They were perfect for their time.
Kathy
friends and relationships-what does this mean to me? I do love the church.
Never set out to be a pastor. Funnel in faith was wide became narrow. Began to lose what I thought was my life. Women issues, stay home, etc. Ten years later, I became one of them. It used to work for me.
(Editors Note: This classic piece of feminist humor appeared in the premier issue of Ms. Magazine and was widely circulated in the women’s movement.)
I belong to that classification of people known as wives. I am A Wife.
And, not altogether incidentally, I am a mother. Not too long ago a male friend of mine appeared on the scene fresh from a recent divorce. He had one child, who is, of course, with his ex-wife. He is looking for another wife. As I thought about him while I was ironing one evening, it suddenly occurred to me that I too, would like to have a wife. Why do I want a wife?
I would like to go back to school so that I can become economically independent, support myself, and if need be, support those dependent upon me. I want a wife who will work and send me to school. And while I am going to school I want a wife to take care of my children. I want a wife a wife to keep track of the children’s doctor and dentist appointments. And to keep track of mine, too. I want a wife to make sure my children eat properly and are kept clean. I want a wife who will wash the children’s clothes and keep them mended. I want a wife who is a good nurturing attendant to my children, who arranges for their schooling, makes sure that they have an adequate social life with their peers, takes them to the park, the zoo, etc. I want a wife who takes care of the children when they are sick, a wife who arranges to be around when the children need special care, because, of course, I cannot miss classes at school. My wife must arrange to lose time at work and not lose the job. It may mean a small cut in my wife’s income from time to time, but I guess I can tolerate that. Needless to say, my wife will arrange and pay for the care of the children while my wife is working.
I want a wife who will take care of my physical needs. I want a wife who will keep my house clean. A wife who will pick up after my children, a wife who will pick up after me. I want a wife who will keep my clothes clean, ironed, mended, replaced when need be, and who will see to it that my personal things are kept in their proper place so that I can find what I need the minute I need it. I want a wife who cooks the meals, a wife who is a good cook. I want a wife who will plan the menus, do the necessary grocery shopping, prepare the meals,serve them pleasantly, and then do the cleaning up while I do my studying. I want a wife who will care for me when I am sick and sympathize with my pain and loss of time from school. I want a wife to go along when our family takes a vacation so that someone can continue care for me and my when I need a rest and change of scene. I want a wife who will not bother me with rambling complaints about a wife’s duties. But I want a wife who will listen to me when I feel the need to explain a rather difficult point I have come across in my course of studies. And I want a wife who will type my papers for me when I have written them.
I want a wife who will take care of the details of my social life. When my wife and I are invited out by my friends, I want a wife who take care of the baby-sitting arrangements. When I meet people at school that I like and want to entertain, I want a wife who will have the house clean, will prepare a special meal, serve it to me and my friends, and not interrupt when I talk about things that interest me and my friends. I want a wife who will have arranged that the children are fed and ready for bed before my guests arrive so that the children do not bother us. I want a wife who takes care of the needs of my quests so that they feel comfortable, who makes sure that they have an ashtray, that they are passed the hors d’oeuvres, that they are offered a second helping of the food, that their wine glasses are replenished when necessary, that their coffee is served to them as they like it. And I want a wife who knows that sometimes I need a night out by myself.
I want a wife who is sensitive to my sexual needs, a wife who makes love passionately and eagerly when I feel like it, a wife who makes sure that I am satisfied. And, of course, I want a wife who will not demand sexual attention when I am not in the mood for it. I want a wife who assumes the complete responsibility for birth control, because I do not want more children. I want a wife who will remain sexually faithful to me so that I do not have to clutter up my intellectual life with jealousies. And I want a wife who understands that my sexual needs may entail more than strict adherence to monogamy. I must, after all, be able to relate to people as fully as possible.
If, by chance, I find another person more suitable as a wife than the wife I already have, I want the liberty to replace my present wife with another one. Naturally, I will expect a fresh, new life; my wife will take the children and be solely responsible for them so that I am left free.
When I am through with school and have a job, I want my wife to quit working and remain at home so that my wife can more fully and completely take care of a wife’s duties.
My God, who wouldn’t want a wife?
I, Keith, read this at WKU while in a composition class. It made me think then.
It’s not right, from Karl. The goal is for men and women to work together in the church.
Mekesha from Ft Collins. I wanted God to be more like my dad. She became much more vocal about issues.
Doable Evangelism-Randy Seiver
-The problem w/ evangelism
-is you (as goes) or implied
-undoable approach is the problem
-do it authentically/ 10% interested in evangelism
-Just Walk Across the Room by Bill Hybils/ doable evangelism
-Mark Middleberg/ thinker
-dont like making your friends a project
Just Watch Across the Room-Randy Seiver
Off the Map-uncharted territory! we want people just to show up.
-Every one should be able to play/ not just the gifted. conversion centric
-conversional to conversational/ a paradigm shift.
_ It is not a conversional pitch. Not just the Four Spiritual Laws.
-Proclamation is how
Our Little Idea
-spirital prctice
1 noticing-take a moment to focus on some one else
David Kinnaman
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Working definition of evangelism= verbal proclamation(past) leading to conversion.
1 noticing
2 prayer- pray for person you noticed. prompting of the spirit.
3 Listening-how are you/ the person matters to you now. Not telling.
Do what’s doable!
We don’t have to be weird and unnormal. Should like T ball.
Let’s celebrate the ordinary attempt!
David Kinnaman
-what do people think about Christians
sometimes the critics are right
Judgmental 87%
Anti homosexual 91%
Hypocritical 85%
Too Political 75 %
Sheltered 78 %
Proselytizers 70 %
We want simple solutions to complex problems!
We are having less and less influence on those that need it the most.
3 % favorable view of Christians 16 to 29 yrs old
66 % committed to Jesus but no BWV for over 40-superficial
57 % under age 40
83 % say they are christian
40 % not christian under 40, 25% over 40
power shift
How do we change culture?
60 % legalize chrisianity/ 10 % have prayed homosexual problem
Opportunities
spiritual entrepreneurs
Mike Foster-porn talk
Cathrine Rohr-prison program
James Tworkowski
Davin Flaig
Tim McMahan-ex Mormon blog
Kingdom Imagination
common good+rescuers+conversational + imago dei
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This post was written by keithblog on October 17, 2008
